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The Original Power Platform Advisor. 11x Microsoft MVP. Low-code 4 life.

Dataverse for Teams was the lowest possible barrier for starting to govern #PowerPlatform. Now that option is gone as #CoEStarterKit Teams edition will no longer be supported. I can't say I love working with Dataverse for Teams and all its limitations. The business case is obviously interesting for customers (get Dataverse FOR FREE with #MicrosoftTeams). Yet there has hardly been any progress in the past year to fix the issues and gaps. Oh how I miss the Model-driven Admin View app in CoE Starter Kit whenever I need to access a Teams based CoE. Yes, as an app maker/admin, of course I would prefer the full Dataverse environment any day. Yet then there's the organizational impact of what CoE Starer Kit could/should have. Bringing the app/flow inventory into a database that anyone in the organization can not only view but also update is... exactly how it should be. In pretty much every customer organization today the vast majority of #PowerApps and #PowerAutomate flows are non-premium. Meaning the Makers often aren't premium licensed either. Being a motivated, skilled and enthusiastic citizen developer doesn't necessarily correlate with what your Power Apps licensing status is. The governance and nurture processes in CoE Starter Kit aim to get these Makers to be active participants that also interact with Dataverse data. To make this happen now that the Teams edition is gone will require either a premium license or a PAYG environment. Don't get me wrong: the capabilities you get with the premium license are absolutely worth paying money for. This is not a bad deal - as long as you understand what the deal actually is about. Unfortunately many organizations aren't yet quite that far in their Power Platform journey that this would be obvious. Many IT departments that desperately need proper admin/governance tools for the platform aren't properly supported by the platform's business ownership or funding in the organization. CoE in DV4T was the perfect tool for this specific stage of the journey. I personally invested a lot on evangelizing it and leveraging it with customers. That's now all wiped away. I will have a few 🍺 tonight and think about where to invest my energy next. Just like Microsoft have considered that this is not the thing for them to keep investing on.

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We, on purpose, didn't choose the language of "deprecate" in our announcement but instead used "stop investing". This months version which works on D4T will continue to be available, and we have no plans of removing them - you'll continue to be able to download them and they contain a feature rich set of admin, governance and nurture capabilities to get started with your Power Platform governance journey. Today, there's already many features that are not available in the CoE kit for D4T - so the story would remain the same, you can continue to get started with the D4T version and if this no longer meets your requirements, you can upgrade to the Production version.

Stuart Baxter

Business Applications MVP | Co-Founder Scottish Power Platform User Group | Power Platform Community Super User | Blogger

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Personally I don't get the hype with DV4T, I've seen a handful of interesting use cases, but with the low cost of power app per app, and PAYG licencing, most customers I have worked with are comfortable spending a little to get the full Dataverse experience

Andrew Marsh

End User Services Product Owner. Focused on delivering for our colleagues so they can delight our customers.

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As much as we are starting and enjoying our starter kit journey. Some of the stuff offered in the platform and some things coming should be available under seeded licences or native in the admin centres, even for large orgs, having governance tasks gated behind premium for all makers is in some cases ridiculous. As much as that is fustrating, the pace of new stuff in the kit is welcomed.

Mag. Mario Jembrih

💻 Digital Transformation Expert | M365, Power Platform | ERP, ECM, DMS Advisor | r-AI-volution endorser | Public speaker

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What about pay-as-you-go plan for the usage with power apps? Is this general recommendation? Is it realistic in terms of costs?

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Sebastien Noel-Gutmann

Expert M365 Collab | ENGIE IT

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In addtion, on this september release of the Coe Starter Kit 28 bug fixes and 18 new features ! The pace of changes is amazing and the development team makes a great job, however, it is hard to follow and to obtain resiliency of such a tool in production it requests a high investment.

Thomas Xu

Team Lead - Power Platform | Principal Consultant | Microsoft FTRSA

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Yazid Benhammada

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Suhail Sayed

I unlock the full potential of Microsoft 365 & Teams for small businesses | Consult > Migrate > Implement > Train > Support > Automate | I will support you across the entire lifecycle

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As you rightly mentioned a free tier always helps push adoption and once there's adoption and familiarity, businesses have no problem with paying for licenses.. However, there's not much we can do..It is what it is!

Yves Habersaat

Microsoft 365 Development MVP & MCT | Business Applications Consultant at Sword Group | Speaker | Blogger

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